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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby Enchanter on Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:40 pm

Steezus wrote:Well I am not too happy about this after I just realized something... I am from Utah and I have a different set of Family Values. You see, I really was planning on taking additional wives into my fold. I really don't think this rule is very fair because now the government is telling me what I can and cannot do in regards to my family values. Apparently I can only have one spouse and I highly doubt that the government is acting in line with the values put in place by the Lord Jesus Christ, our Savior. The worst part of it is that my 16-year-old cousin I planned for wife number two and my 14-year-old sister I planned for wife number three are basically going to have to just sit and rot on their own in the real world until this situation can be rectified or my wife finally joins a real military with real family values.. Now I will never get the Brigham Young Wet Dream Award :thumbsup:


Yep... that sucks.

It's too bad the Government can't be adjusted to YOUR values and have everyone else pay for it. :dunno:
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby VetteChic on Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:39 pm

Steezus... you're an idiot. Only you would come up with something so obnoxious :!: LOL :lol:

Enchanter... now you know that I have had the tendancy to agree with you on many topics, but, in a friendly way of course, I have to say that you are a little "off base." (no pun intended) **Unbiting my tongue, just for a moment... see first post"***

If a "child" graduates at say 18, (or even 19 due to birthday issue late starting) assuming that they start college right away that puts them at 21 with if lucky an associates degree, but maybe less. At 23 it is possible but unlikely that they could have a bachelor's degree depending on availability to fund a full course load every semester, or having the GI Bill passed down etc.

But say that "child" is now going for a Master's Degree. They have focused fully on their education, probably haven't had a job over here, either for lack of time due to school... or lack of ability due to sparse job openings. So you take a 21 or 23 year old with no work experience and boot them out of the house and to the States, on their own, with nobody to even lean on for support, that especially in today's economy and the competition for jobs even at freakin McDonalds will likely be unemployed.... and say.. "sorry for ya.. you're now a burden.. goodbye."

Plus.. has anybody even thought of the fact: That if one were in the States, living off base (probably because there's none even available on base where there is a waiting list of over 600 people... (which is not abnormal... we were #604 at our last base so we bought a house) they would still be receiving government BAH to pay their mortgage (or rent..), but only enough to live in the ghettoist (not a word, I know) part of town just outside the base fence, right next to the projects...that if you want to live in a safe neighborhood you have to put $500 - %1000 of your regular paycheck with the BAH to make the payment. (total runon sentence, sorry) Can the military tell that person, "oh.. you own your home but your child cannot live with you anymore, you have to kick them out?" No, of course they can't. But here, they pull all sorts of stuff, losing SOFA, for instance and then even if they get a job on their own SOFA aren't allowed to live in a house with their parents, they pay two households to keep the child in Japan near his family. It's only because they are overseas and in base housing that they can enforce this. If someone here was living off base, they are entitled to BAH... non specific to what size house based on the number of dependents but only based on a ceiling for BAH. They have no right to tell someone that their child can't live there either. They would be paying the same amount regardless of how many people live there.

Just on a side note... why is it that our children cannot remain our dependents, for whatever reason we might have, if we prove that we are still supporting them financially...while they attend college..... but there are full blown DEPENDENT mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, inlaws, etc... that are not only allowed to live in base housing, but also get BX, Commissary, dependent preference on jobs on base, AND MEDICAL that our taxpayers are paying for. What makes it any different for us to keep our child who is going to college earning a degree so they will soon be able to support themselves for the rest of their lives... for say an extra TWO OR THREE years because they are financially dependent on us at the time, but the forementioned setup is most times in place for ten, fifteen, even twenty years. on the governments dime.

I had a friend when we were in Texas who's husband's mother was his dependent their entire marriage of over 20 years in the service. She got all the same benefits as the wife. She used to joke and say she earned her keep because she fixed home cooked Italian meals once a week for them. LOL But she also had a son who turned 21 (yeah, they had him before they got married) and was not enrolled in college so they cut off his medical, and military ID. Yet this guys mother got to keep all of hers for pretty much the guy's entire career.

I'm just saying, if it's good for one family member, it should be good for all families........... or no families. :dunno:
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby Steezus on Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:07 pm

I think the military mindset that is drilled into each member is partially to blame for such a pessimistic view of the job market back in the States. After all those years of telling people how you make $500,000 a year if you factor in every single benefit the AF gives you and how difficult it is on the outside, it does tend to bend reality quite a bit. The AF is also one of the only jobs in the world that requires the least amount of responsibilities typical of life. I am prior AF and my wife is current AD, so hate me if you want, but seriously, as long as you say sorry after blowing $100k of credit at the Casino and getting a DUI on the way home, you get some paperwork and the military does what they can to get you through the situation. You can be a complete dolt and others will pick up the slack as long as you appear to be trying. HYT is an absolute joke. You have to constantly screw things up to actually get kicked out. I think a lot of parents on military bases know this and become afraid that the big scary real world outside of the base support unit is going to be really harsh because they know how good they have it in the AF and they become very comfortable with it.

There are plenty of places that a 21 year old can go and make enough of a living that they could even pay for most if not all of their college education. People can put down fast food all they want, but S**T, you can actually become quite successful if you actually were to put in hard work at McD's and eventually get your 4-year degree. You can approach six-figure income quite quickly as a matter of fact. It just isn't that difficult to find work at that age. Other job markets are the ones taking the severe hit, but there are still plenty of jobs for students available.

I seriously have deep misgivings about people who chose to stay in the AF and still expect that they should never have to make the sacrifice of leaving the 22+ year-old manchild back in the States rather than the tax payer paying to support the suckling "lifestyle" when they are asked to move overseas. Like I said, there are no colleges overseas that most dependents will go off and study at. Online only classes which are a bad choice for people that age compared to taking a college at a campus with other people their age.

If your manchild wants to continue living overseas after the age of 21. Have them go speak to a recruiter.
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby mancill4 on Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:48 am

Lots of great points but I still say, if I move overseas with a valid dependent then they should be able to retain their dependent status until my tour is over. If I choose to extend my tour then that is another story, but the initial tour should factor in my dependents for the entire time.
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby balling on Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:21 am

air force didnt issue you a dependent
you are lucky you are allowed to have one here
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby Enchanter on Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:29 pm

Should be, could be, I wish and wouldn't it be nice. All irrelevant.
The bottom line is THE LAW says children are legal dependents, so far as Base Housing is concerned, until they are 21 (no matter how long someones tour is) or 23 if they are a full time college student. Beyond that there are the special circumstances exceptions to include things like medical conditions, but otherwise boot the kid out on their own.
Sure, it might just sound like my opinion, which it is, and it might sound cold, which it is not, but it's still the bottom line regulation.
And let's be honest here... The reason this is being enforced is NOT due to the reasons people here are complaining about. It's being enforced because there are too many families who are taking advantage of the system and using their "free base housing" as a shelter for family members that have no business enjoying this benefit others have earned. 25 year old daughters, still living with their parents, having a job on base but living in base housing illegally. 40 year old sisters who came here to visit, got a job on base and just stayed living in her sister's house, and because this sister has a child, they bring that one over and they TOO live in base housing.... These are just two examples, but THIS is the reason this issue is being forced out. Too many people are trying to take advantage of the system, and they've been called out to "clean house". Personally, I absolutely agree with the decision made. But again, we're only talking about Base Housing here, not people who live off base.
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby quiquimoh on Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:34 am

Enchanter wrote:And that's absolutely fine. If you, or anyone else, believes their child should stay with them past 21, then by all means feel free to participate in such. BUT, don't expect the taxpayers to be the one to pay for your family's "traditions or values". If they're that valuable to you, then you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever in paying for them by yourself... :applause:
Wow, how arrogant, clapping for yourself :thumbsdown:

Enchanter wrote:That's the law. :hmm: And not out of the country, but out of base housing which is payed for by the government. Are we dealing with some educational issues here? I mean, you CAN read and comprehend the material at hand, yes? :shock:
I can read, but it seems you dont get the point I am trying to convey. Must I spell everything out for you? :roll: My point is the fact of kicking them out of the house. Don't worry, next time I'll try to be more specific since you're have a hard time.
Enchanter wrote:Yes, heaven forbid that the parents of today instill independence, self reliance, responsibility and dependability into their children. That must be absolute HELL for them. -- Bottom line: If your child is 21 and they can't survive this world without hanging on to mommy or daddy's legs, then you've either failed as a parent to teach them how to become an adult (which is the job of a parent, by the way, just in case you weren't aware...) or your child has special needs which is where the "exception" comes into play. :dunno:
Were you not loved when you were a child? Did mommy and daddy told you to get out? What year was that? Because according to US Bureau of Labor Statistics, current unemployment rate is high. So how does independence, self reliance, responsibility and dependability help with them standing on their own two feet if they would have a hard time finding a decent job? Fortunately for you, you probably retired from the military and got some contracting job on base. I'd really like to see if you can find a job right out of college, without any experience, during these times.

Enchanter wrote:Absolutely yes... Out of pocket. If they want to hold onto a "child" (keep them living with the family) after they've reached 21, then let them pay for it on their own. That's the law, not just my opinion. You're welcome to write your congressman and perhaps suggest a bill that says the new legal adult age be changed to 30... :shock:
So how do you feel about those individuals who live off base, getting Overseas Housing Allowance? They can house as much as they like, the place is being paid with taxpayers' money. :dunno:

My main argument here is, does it really matter how many people live there? As long as they are not causing trouble to anyone, what difference does it make? If people want to help their family, why not? Especially if they already have access to the base. Yeah, rules are rules, but dont be a hyprocrite and say you have never ever broken a rule/regulation before.

Enchanter wrote:Oh and nice first post, by the way. Welcome to the board. I look forward to more of your posts! :thumbsup:
I've been reading yokotatalk for several months now, and I just wanted to express my opinions because I really feel that you "regular" posters, feed off of each other. I wanted to do the opposite just to make it more interesting. :whistle:

Steezus wrote:Well I am not too happy about this after I just realized something... I am from Utah and I have a different set of Family Values. You see, I really was planning on taking additional wives into my fold. I really don't think this rule is very fair because now the government is telling me what I can and cannot do in regards to my family values. Apparently I can only have one spouse and I highly doubt that the government is acting in line with the values put in place by the Lord Jesus Christ, our Savior. The worst part of it is that my 16-year-old cousin I planned for wife number two and my 14-year-old sister I planned for wife number three are basically going to have to just sit and rot on their own in the real world until this situation can be rectified or my wife finally joins a real military with real family values.. Now I will never get the Brigham Young Wet Dream Award

AHHHHH, Sarcasm. Gotta love it! So I take it you are not a "manchild", you are just a man who choose to act like a child. Got it! :roll:
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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby Steezus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:42 pm

The meds.. Take them.

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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby Enchanter on Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:08 pm

quiquimoh wrote:Wow, how arrogant, clapping for yourself :thumbsdown:

I'd rather be full of myself, than being "just full of it", as some... :whistle:

I can read, but it seems you dont get the point I am trying to convey. Must I spell everything out for you? :roll: My point is the fact of kicking them out of the house. Don't worry, next time I'll try to be more specific since you're have a hard time.
I get the point you're trying to convey; it's just a foolish one. :lol:

Were you not loved when you were a child? Did mommy and daddy told you to get out? What year was that? Because according to US Bureau of Labor Statistics, current unemployment rate is high. So how does independence, self reliance, responsibility and dependability help with them standing on their own two feet if they would have a hard time finding a decent job? Fortunately for you, you probably retired from the military and got some contracting job on base. I'd really like to see if you can find a job right out of college, without any experience, during these times.
Did they "told me to get out"...??? :? Ok, first we'll start again with that suggestion of continuing your education. Again though, it's just a suggestion; one prompted by your displays of grammar incompetence. :doh:

Now, moving along... You hit that nail dead on the head with your own comments: i.e. If the little crumb-snatchers can't find a job, have them join the Military. They can grow and "be a man" or they can remain being a "mommy's boy" for several years to follow. Which of those two choices do you suppose will produce a better citizen? Of course, the maturity and welfare of your child's future is what's important here, yes? I mean this isn't a issue of "poor little Billy should stay with Mommy a little longer", is it? - And feel free to quote any Statistics you want, but the honest truth is, there's jobs out there to be had. It doesn't matter if the kid has gone to college and is qualified as an accountant, if the Agencies aren't hiring. Have him drop the pride and dip some french fries at Micky D's. If you (or he) feels that's "below him", then therein lies the problem, NOT with the job market...

So how do you feel about those individuals who live off base, getting Overseas Housing Allowance? They can house as much as they like, the place is being paid with taxpayers' money. :dunno:
Another reason why I agree with and will support Command's decision to put an end to people having the option to move off base when base-housing is available. Less people to take advantage of the system means saved taxpayer money.

My main argument here is, does it really matter how many people live there? As long as they are not causing trouble to anyone, what difference does it make? If people want to help their family, why not? Especially if they already have access to the base. Yeah, rules are rules, but dont be a hyprocrite and say you have never ever broken a rule/regulation before.
So, just so I understand, what you're saying is as long as they aren't "bothering anyone", then it's perfectly acceptable to have someone break the law? And if we, or anyone else, says anything about it, then we're being a hypocrite (and yes, I even know how to spell that word, unlike you...) because we drove above 40kph on base at one point or another? :dunno: -- Again, I will have to agree with Steezus. Meds :thumbsup:

I've been reading yokotatalk for several months now, and I just wanted to express my opinions because I really feel that you "regular" posters, feed off of each other. I wanted to do the opposite just to make it more interesting. :whistle:
So your point is to purposefully play devil's advocate in hopes of generating interesting discussion? Well it's a good thing you don't mind appearing moronic in the process. :mrgreen:

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Re: Unauthorized residents to get the boot at Yokota

Postby Paparage on Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:24 pm

My main argument here is, does it really matter how many people live there? As long as they are not causing trouble to anyone, what difference does it make? If people want to help their family, why not? Especially if they already have access to the base. Yeah, rules are rules, but dont be a hyprocrite and say you have never ever broken a rule/regulation before.


Come on now. You can't really be making an argument that it is OK to willingly defraud the government, just because its family.
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